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#6 Birth Pains, Tribulations, and Rapture
by Mark Caseby Mark CaseMark and Fred connect the “birth pains” Jesus describes in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24; Luke 21) to the first six seals of Revelation, arguing this tribulation period precedes a pre-wrath rapture. They stress deception, war, famine, persecution, and apostasy as refining trials that expose true faith and mature the church. Using Israel’s hardship in Exodus and Jeremiah 30, they say God “cuts the cord” with worldly security so the Bride is prepared and a remnant endures.
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EschatologyPodcastsThe Body of Christ
#6 Birth Pains, Tribulations, and Rapture
by Mark Caseby Mark CaseMark and Fred connect the “birth pains” Jesus describes in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24; Luke 21) to the first six seals of Revelation, arguing this tribulation period precedes a pre-wrath rapture. They stress deception, war, famine, persecution, and apostasy as refining trials that expose true faith and mature the church. Using Israel’s hardship in Exodus and Jeremiah 30, they say God “cuts the cord” with worldly security so the Bride is prepared and a remnant endures.
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#7 From the Tabernacle to the Glorious Church
Mark and Fred discuss how the tabernacle in the wilderness and the first temple were built according to God’s instructions and empowered by the Holy Spirit, resulting in God’s manifest presence. They contrast this with later temple structures that reflected increasing human control and compromise. Drawing from these biblical patterns, they explain that the future “glorious church” will not be built by human methods but by the Holy Spirit through the gifts and callings given to believers, following the instructions found in the New Testament.

#6 Birth Pains, Tribulations, and Rapture
Mark and Fred connect the “birth pains” Jesus describes in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24; Luke 21) to the first six seals of Revelation, arguing this tribulation period precedes a pre-wrath rapture. They stress deception, war, famine, persecution, and apostasy as refining trials that expose true faith and mature the church. Using Israel’s hardship in Exodus and Jeremiah 30, they say God “cuts the cord” with worldly security so the Bride is prepared and a remnant endures.

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In this episode of The Last Church Podcast, Mark and Fred argue that evangelical teaching has often mis-timed the rapture, and that Scripture points to a pre-wrath rapture—after intense tribulation/persecution that purifies the “bride” into a glorious church (Ephesians 5:27), but before God’s wrath is poured out. Walking through Revelation 1–9, they frame the first seals as escalating tribulation (deception, war, famine, death, martyrdom), then identify the sixth/seventh seal transition as the start of wrath, with believers gathered before God’s throne.

#4 Thessalonians and the Rapture
In this episode, the rapture is explored in light of the “glorious church,” emphasizing that believers can recognize the season of Christ’s return without claiming a specific date. Drawing from 1–2 Thessalonians, Mark and Fred explain that the gathering to Christ follows a great falling away and the revealing of the man of lawlessness. The conversation also highlights ongoing sanctification, teaching that Christ is preparing a mature, unified bride refined through trials and obedience.

#3 Job’s Trials, Sanctification, and the Body of Christ
Mark and Fred discuss the “glorious church” as God’s end-times work to defeat Satan through a purified, unified remnant. They connect Ephesians 3 to spiritual warfare and use Job as a picture of endurance under loss and suffering without cursing God. They emphasize that salvation includes power over sin, not just forgiveness, challenging “it is finished” misunderstandings. They highlight John 17’s prayer for oneness and expect refining, persecution, and surrender to prepare the bride before the rapture.

#2 Through Fiery Trials, Not a Golden Age Prosperity
Mark and Fred discuss the “glorious church” and contrast their view with dominion or “kingdom now” theology. They argue that rather than the church taking control of society before Christ returns, Scripture teaches that God will purify His people through trials, suffering, and refinement. While they welcome the renewed public use of Jesus’ name, they warn of deception and mixture. Ultimately, they believe Christ returns for a sanctified, faithful bride shaped through obedience and hardship.

#6 Birth Pains, Tribulations, and Rapture
Mark and Fred connect the “birth pains” Jesus describes in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24; Luke 21) to the first six seals of Revelation, arguing this tribulation period precedes a pre-wrath rapture. They stress deception, war, famine, persecution, and apostasy as refining trials that expose true faith and mature the church. Using Israel’s hardship in Exodus and Jeremiah 30, they say God “cuts the cord” with worldly security so the Bride is prepared and a remnant endures.
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#4 Thessalonians and the Rapture
In this episode, the rapture is explored in light of the “glorious church,” emphasizing that believers can recognize the season of Christ’s return without claiming a specific date. Drawing from 1–2 Thessalonians, Mark and Fred explain that the gathering to Christ follows a great falling away and the revealing of the man of lawlessness. The conversation also highlights ongoing sanctification, teaching that Christ is preparing a mature, unified bride refined through trials and obedience.

#3 Job’s Trials, Sanctification, and the Body of Christ
Mark and Fred discuss the “glorious church” as God’s end-times work to defeat Satan through a purified, unified remnant. They connect Ephesians 3 to spiritual warfare and use Job as a picture of endurance under loss and suffering without cursing God. They emphasize that salvation includes power over sin, not just forgiveness, challenging “it is finished” misunderstandings. They highlight John 17’s prayer for oneness and expect refining, persecution, and surrender to prepare the bride before the rapture.

#2 Through Fiery Trials, Not a Golden Age Prosperity
Mark and Fred discuss the “glorious church” and contrast their view with dominion or “kingdom now” theology. They argue that rather than the church taking control of society before Christ returns, Scripture teaches that God will purify His people through trials, suffering, and refinement. While they welcome the renewed public use of Jesus’ name, they warn of deception and mixture. Ultimately, they believe Christ returns for a sanctified, faithful bride shaped through obedience and hardship.